Here's the strange thing. You and I don't own our homes. But in Missouri, gold and silver enjoy a Lloydial title now because it cannot be confiscated. That was in our bill. And the federal government, if they decide to come into Missouri and confiscate gold and silver, the state absolutely cannot help them confiscate the gold and silver. We now have actually legal tender status for gold and silver in the state of Missouri. Basically, it comes down to actually setting up an alternative transactional system. Much like the federal government likes to toy with us to get us to a cashless society.
Now, we need to actually set up infrastructure in the state for use of gold and silver as money.
Welcome back to Liberty and Finance. I am delighted to have this returning guest whom we have not had on for far too long. Patrick Holland from the Missouri Freedom Initiative joins us. Today is Friday, September 4th, 2026. Patrick, thank you for coming back on Liberty and Finance.
Don, again, thank you so much for having me back. It's been a long time and we've had an update that's been available for a while, too, that we needed to share with your audience.
Would you please tell us about the breakthrough legislation that you got passed into law in Missouri, the Constitutional Money Act?
Yep. So, the last I think we visited might have been just shy of two years ago, and we were still trying to get that across the finish line. This is a very unique bill that has since become law that happened in July of 2025. But we'll start by saying that Missouri entered the fray. We now have actually legal tender status for gold and silver in the state of Missouri. Along with that, of course, was the elimination of capital gains taxes. So there's no more state taxes on investment or anything else having to do with gold and silver. It's simply gone.
But along with that, we got many other things, and we'll go through those as we talk and everything. But one of the really exciting things—and it's something that's esoteric if we talk about this too much—and people will say, "Gosh, I don't know that." A lodidial title. Very important.
Yeah, that's when do you or do you not own your home?
That's right. And here's the strange thing: you and I don't own our homes, but in Missouri, gold and silver enjoy a loial title now because it cannot be confiscated. That was in our bill. So basically, the state can't confiscate gold and silver unless it's through due process, which was standard with everything else. And the federal government, if they decide to come into Missouri and confiscate gold and silver—much, kind of like what Roosevelt did. So we all know this. And if they try to do it, the state absolutely cannot help them confiscate the gold and silver. They can't help them.
And of course, if they do, you can zue the state, and that's actually in the bill as well. So basically, we've eliminated the taxes on gold and silver. We've made it legal tender. It's always been money, so we won't go down that road. It's always been money, always. But now it's legal tender in the state of Missouri. And also, it can't be confiscated. So basically, a loyal title, which we can't seem to get on our homes and indeed in our lives. But gold and silver enjoy that status right now in the state of Missouri.
So that was something really exciting that we got through that—and I think, for lack of a better term, for—I'm a little nervous that someone in the legislature may be watching this video when it comes out, but I don't think they understood what they were doing because they just let it through. So I would like to see another state do what Missouri did to prove whether or not this is something that they were just on board with or if it was something they simply didn't understand.
Can you walk us through the major—why this is like a grand slam home run, this bill, as far as what the major accomplishments are? Because they are multiffold. I think you just hit several of them, but help us understand the highlights because every person in every state of our country should be weted. Their appetite should be wetted to have what—the rights that the Missouri—the people of the good state of Missouri just made sure that they have going forward for themselves, their children, their—and their children after them.
Okay. Gotcha. And I'll tell you what, let me share with you a little bit of candy that we got through on the bill. And it's something that may not seem important when you first hear it, but when you understand the implications of it, it really becomes quite profound. And that is the fact that employers can in fact pay their employees now in silver and gold in compensation. That's also law in the state of Missouri. The only thing is, is the employer has to agree to it, and the employee has to agree to it, and no one can be forced.
Is there any stipulation in there about the taxable quantity assigned to that compensation, whether it's face value or market value or whatever?
Actually it would be just plain market value. So that is—it's really that simple with that. But also the only other stipulation is that if it's physical gold and silver as opposed to a UPMA deposit or some kind of electronic transfer, the responsibility remains with the employer in order to ascertain the purity of the silver and gold before it's paid out to the employee. That would be the only other stipulation.
Okay, that's a big one. Being able to pay your employees in real money, hard money, gold and silver, that will hold its value because that's been one of the—
Just like they used to, man. You see the movies that were made back in the 50s and the 40s where you're lining up for your paycheck and they were giving you like four quarters for the week and that was silver.
And that's been one of the first victims to fall in rampant degradation of the currency is the value of the working person's wages and therefore their savings as well.
Yeah, savings. But really what it was was their purchasing power. It just—it disintegrated. And of course there's a lot of subsidy—subsidizing of this through anything from food stamps to any—there's all kinds of subsidies now for employers not to actually pay a living wage. The government is the safety net for employers to actually take more profits, pay less to their—and by the way, this isn't a rich versus poor thing. I'm just saying that this was part of the system and how it evolved when we started getting away from real money.
The government had to start subsidizing the businesses by literally offering free services to people, and before then, we didn't have to do that.
So in addition to paying your employees in gold and silver in Missouri, what else did this bill—to now law—achieve?
Well, first of all, it was—it's—I would say it's groundbreaking in the way that we got a Lloyd title for gold and silver. That was a big deal. And in fact, and it's not like I'm trying to belabor the point, but I would say this to anyone who's watching this. If you have a business that vaults gold or silver, Missouri is the only state that will protect you. That's it. There's no other state that's done what we've done. So, if you vault silver and gold for a business, you might want to consider having a vault in Missouri because they can't confiscate it here.
So it—others might say, well, if you have a vault, the government knows where it is, the federal government, so they'll just go right to it. Well, technically, the government of Missouri, it's their responsibility to protect your right to own gold and silver. So basically, then we have a clash, don't we? So the—and we don't talk about that aspect of things because people start thinking, well, this is a civil war. No, it's not. It's just lay down the law in your state. Silver and gold will not be confiscated in my state. Just lay it down.
Put it on paper, get it through your legislature, and we should talk a little bit more about all the challenges we had getting that done, how long it took to get done, all because of one speaker of the house, because this bill done was popular. Everyone knew about it. It was all over the place. I mean, it was popular not only in the capital building, it was popular across the state and thousands of people were calling and emailing. There was a lot of pressure. So what the speaker of the house did was go something like this: "Good. Now I've got leverage for the things that I want to get done. I won't let this bill through unless I can get my 11 corporatist bills through. And if those go through, then we'll let the silver and gold through." So this is what happens when your bill becomes super popular in a state house or a state legislative house.
It becomes leverage.
Unintended consequences of getting involved rather than just having a sleepy sheep population that doesn't do anything and the sausage gets made in the back room of politics the way it was unhindered by the public awareness other than what you're going to tell them on the official evening news. But in this case, when you get the public actually fired up about something and actually clamoring for something, be ready. Watch out.
And that's what you're telling us is for those who are actually getting involved and getting things moving and lobbying their lawmakers in their own state and in their own counties, be aware that this can be a unintended consequence of getting involved. And you want to underscore the importance of not being thrown off your track by that.
Absolutely. In fact, actually there's heroes. There's so many heroes to the story. A lot of people might think, well, this was Pat Holland who got this done. Pat Holland might have written this and Pat Holland may have organized a lot of this, but there were thousands of people involved in getting this done. That's how popular it was. And I got to tell you a quick story because it's going to put a smile on your face because it is ironic and we like irony sometimes in the gold and silver business.
Even though it's a completely different metal, the fact is Mike Moon, who was the sponsoring senator, actually snuck this onto a banker bill as an amendment. That's how it got through. It didn't have its own time on the floor, basically as its own bill, and we were very close to the end of session, and Mike Moon saw an opportunity along with Senator Rick Bratton. So, we have another hero to talk about. And they saw an opportunity. They stuck it on the bill because they saw a bunch of things on there that everyone was going to vote yes on.
And so they didn't think the speaker, the new speaker, Jonathan Patterson, would actually stop the bill because of it, because too many people wanted it. And it sailed through that way. And so on a banker bill, no less, is how silver and gold got passed in the state of Missouri. I wish we could have the beautiful fairy tale story like they have in Arkansas where there was absolutely no grassroots support for their silver and gold bill and it sailed right through with like one no vote and like hundreds of yes votes. But it wasn't to be that way in Missouri. It was a fight.
It was a knockdown, dragged down fight from the very beginning because of the popularity and then the leverage that it was used because of its popularity.
Help us understand if that's the only reason that there was any so-called opposition was just to try to get other things in on its coattails. Help us understand what the nature of the opposition was so that people can be prepared for that in their own state as well.
Okay. The opposition that we faced mainly—and this is really stupid—was a leftright thing. So the left didn't want it because it was sponsored by the right and so they were fighting it. Do you remember, Kaiser, when I came on to your show? I may have even provided you some video snippets of it when it was on the floor in the House in 201.
We're talking the Missouri House now—was on the floor, and Pete Meredith, who was a Democrat, a senior Democrat, basically started talking about he had concerns about this bill because if gold and silver became legal tender in Missouri, he had concerns that Nazi gold would make its way to the borders of Missouri. Confederate gold would become a problem. He spoke about mega gold, whatever that is. And then he also brought up a new concept and this one was zombie apocalypse silver. Yeah. He was worried about zombie apocalypse silver.
It literally—it was like a clown show right on our house floor with the Democrats throwing up the dumbest, stupidest arguments ever against gold and silver. Literally just to burn up time. And ultimately, of course, it wasn't to be put to a vote anyway because in the Senate side, they were waiting for the Senate to put two bills on the floor that the House Speaker wanted on the Senate floor, which didn't make it to the floor because the senators were like, "We're not doing corporate garbage here. We're just not going to do it." So they let silver and gold on the floor only for the Democrats to complain about Nazi gold and then it was taken right off the floor again and it wasn't voted on.
I would have anticipated there might be some substantive push back from either traditional banking or other quarters or governments who want to be able to take advantage of the inflationary—the degradation of money supply to make it easier to pay off their debts later or something like that.
Nope, not at all. In fact, I added the inside track on that because Dirk Deon was the sponsoring representative in 2023 and he has a very close relationship with bankers in Missouri just because of his position in the House. He does the budget. And so he was talking to the bankers. They—in fact, their exact words were they were neutral—and they certainly didn't come in and fight it in any way, shape or form. Not in any hearing. I was at all the hearings. Not a single hearing did they come by and say they didn't like it or have reasons against it.
And there was no push back in any back rooms either. So the bankers were fine with—even with a loyal title. They were fine with it. So, but any rate, I wish I could tell you that there was some grand conspiracy, but there really wasn't. There was just a house speaker that was dying to get a whole bunch of legalized gambling in the state of Missouri. And that's what he was trying to get through. And he wouldn't let silver and gold go through unless they heard that on the floor of the Senate.
The other push back that we've heard in a lot of quarters is that, oh, this will be used because it's anonymous, and there—there can be misused for criminal purposes, and that therefore we can't have it. We have to—we can track and control and keep tabs on people. Any push back that came from that regard?
We did it. It was from specifically from the Democrats in the House. That's it. And that was in a hearing. They—that's exactly what they were talking about. They were worried about criminal behavior and a non-trackable money being used for criminal activity.
And how was that objection overcome?
It wasn't taken seriously by the committee—by the committee chair. No one took those concerns seriously at all.
On the topic of a loyal title, which you brought up about the nonconfiscability of gold and silver currently in Missouri: Does that only protect citizens of Missouri? Or is—or has Missouri essentially become kind of like a real money banking haven for people all over the country who want to have a safe place to store their gold and silver and maintain individual property rights of it?
That's actually a very good question and there's several ways to answer it. First off, when it comes to people who are not Missouri citizens that are in the state of Missouri, when you're inside the borders of Missouri, you're represented by the politicians that actually represent that area wherever you're at. So, if you're traveling from state to state, that's kind of a neat thing. You're actually—you could be represented by basically someone from that district you're traveling through. But when it comes to vaulting services, anyone can vault here. They don't have to be a Missouri citizen.
The gold and silver itself is what enjoys loyal title, not the business that owns the gold and silver, just the gold and silver. So basically, anyone from anywhere in the world could store gold and silver here and enjoy our non-confiscation laws here?
You mentioned the word business in that previous sentence about the business that owns the gold and silver. Does this not cover individuals or are individuals kind of considered a type of corporation and themselves? How—why do you bring up the word business all the time?
No. I brought it up just as a juosition. So the elodial title doesn't attach to a person who owns gold and silver. It simply applies to the gold and silver itself.
It's not the legal person of the owner. It's the asset itself.
Correct. Yep.
Good clarification.
So for instance, basically if you had a loidal title on your land, that means the government can't come and confiscate the land, but it doesn't mean the government can't take you out of your house and put you in jail.
In addition to those aspects of the bill, the Constitutional Money Act that has been passed into law in Missouri, other aspect you mentioned—
One more thing I forgot to mention: you can't discriminate against gold and silver. So—and this is for the state. This is a law for the state, not the people. So in other words, if it becomes normal to use gold and silver for transactions, let's say, Kaiser, you're driving through here and you're getting gas and you're going to pay for it in gold and silver. So, basically they can't discriminate at the gas station and say, "Well, since you're using gold and silver, we're going to charge you a 10% search charge." They can't do that here. You cannot discriminate. You cannot put one form of legal tender over another.
And I'm sorry I got off track there. Let me tell you something else we did. The government of Missouri will accept electronic transfers of gold and silver for payment of taxes or services. That's something else no other state's ever done before. So, we did get that done here. They don't want physical. So they've been very bold about that. We've had meetings about that during the whole process, during 3 years to get this done. They didn't want physical gold and silver, but they didn't mind necessarily electronic transfers as long as they could be easily converted into cash. So, that is specifically in there as well.
What about certain forms? Some states such as Florida have passed electronic gold and silver transactional laws or gold transactional gold laws, but they've specified restrictions such as US mint or certain forms, which really is limiting to those who have already built up assets. How permissive is Missouri about the different forms of the species of gold or silver that you hold?
I'm glad you asked that because actually we define them in our bill. And so basically, any form of gold and silver that is really formed and in function, in weight and purity—basically, that's made to be used as money—is money in the state of Missouri now. So basically, that includes everything from gold and silver coins to gold backs and to even—and the language is very specific in the bill. I was very specific that electronic gold and silver is to be treated as legal tender. We did not make electronic gold and silver legal tender in the state, but we did say it must be treated as legal tender.
So that's a very specific wording choice that I used. And although some people were a little hesitant when I said—when I was talking to them at first, when I was explaining what I was doing, they got it eventually. And it is another first. There is nothing in the constitution that says that a representation of gold and silver can be gold and silver. That's why we called it the Constitutional Money Act. Everything in our bill jives 100% with the constitution. And if we made electronic gold and silver legal tender, we would be out of bounds as far as the constitution's concerned. And this is my interpretation.
So I may talk to another person says, "That's nonsense." Basically electronic representation is really kind of the same thing, and I get it to a certain extent, but we wanted to be able to maintain the Constitutional Money Act name with our bill, so we kept it that way.
Any additional gains for the common people's constitutional rights that you see coming from this new law in Missouri?
Yes, but in a different way. Basically, it comes down to actually setting up an alternative transactional system, much like the federal government likes to toy with us. And the latest one is, of course, the Fed now program. Those of you who know about Fed Now from the Federal Reserve know that it's basically—it's more or less an infrastructure to get us to a cashless society. That's what Fed Now was really designed to do. In the case of what we did in Missouri with the Constitutional Money Act, now we need to actually set up infrastructure in the state for use of gold and silver as money.
Now that we've taken away capital gains and we've made it legal tender and we've even allowed for businesses to actually pay their employees in gold and silver, we need to start setting up the transactional system, start getting people used to it, getting them a little bit more educated, getting businesses on board with accepting gold and silver, basically for products and services. So that's kind of the next stage of the process and that's a big one. That's a—that's a big one. But one of the things that makes it really easy, I mean, some people have issues with coins. I love gold and silver coins. I absolutely love them.
And I have one of those special—I can't remember what you call it—a meology detector, something like that, where it detects the purity of the silver and the gold. And that could easily be set up at a point of sale register where you can actually verify the purity. But there's also goldbacks which are really made for transactions. And so I'm sure you're familiar with goldbacks, Dunigan.
Mhm. Yep.
Yep. So, basically, Goldbacks are starting by literally—and we're talking about the, I believe they call it the guild, the goldback guild. Businesses all around the United States are starting to accept gold backs. This is the beginning of that infrastructure. Now, it may not be the end of it, but it is certainly the beginning, and it is a start, and it is powerful, and it is actually moving and in use. So anyone could sign up that has a business—that is, sign up for free with the goldback people. Go to the guild and sign up and register your business as accepting goldbacks, and they will actually advertise your business on their website.
Not only what you're doing and what services or products you provide, but also the fact that you're accepting gold backs at your business. So, you'll start attracting probably brand new customers you never had before just cuz you are within the Goldback network.
Patrick, in addition to this bill now law in Missouri, you've been working on getting grassroots activism fermented so that you can become the leaven in the bread and you can—this can spread across farther than Missouri to the people of all the great states of the United States. Any comments from you on how you're doing that and how people who live in those states can take advantage of the work that you're doing in Missouri?
Sure. Well, first off, I did write a lot of legislation, not just for Missouri, but for other states as well. So, I collaborated with a lot of representatives and senators in other states, Nebraska, Montana, Arkansas, Mississippi. I mean, the list goes on and on—even Arizona, Minnesota, even—to try and get legislation done. But what was really lacking was any type of grassroots support. Now, Arkansas was kind of a special deal. I mean, those silver and gold bills just sail right through. It's a hot knife through butter. In Arkansas to get sound, muddy legislation done. In many states, like Missouri, it is a knockdown, drag down fight. Florida is another example.
Florida is another one of those states where it's really difficult to get something like that done, probably because it's popular and they're using it as leverage. The same thing that was happening in Missouri. So my advice to people is first off—and in fact, Dunigan, if you're good enough, please put a link at the bottom of this, in the description section, to the Missouri law that I sent you earlier. And I'll resend it to you if I need to. And basically, just take—just print that Missouri law out, and basically, you don't even need an outline anymore.
Bring it to your legislator and say, "This is what I would like to do in our state." It's really simple. It's easy. It's very easy to understand. And, basically it covers pretty much every base. The only thing that we don't have in Missouri is a state depository. And I did write a bill for that as well. That was part of SB 100. And it came down to they didn't want the expense of it. That's what they were complaining about. And so the treasurer was dead set against it and said, "We'll fight you. We'll fight you on this." Basically if you keep pushing a bill where it says the treasury has to have a depository.
Well, that's because my vision of a depository is very different from other people's. The depository for the state would be for the state only, state reserves, not for the people, not as a bank, just for the state use. And we'll let the free market come into our states, like UPMA, like Glint, like Kinesis. Let those free market aspects come into our state and serve the people's needs for silver and gold and banking and let the state have their reserves in silver and gold, totally separate from the people's. And basically, if you do that, they're less likely to start—and that's another thing, too.
Oh, actually, another really interesting point about our bill. Those who read the bill will notice there's absolutely no regulation on silver and gold. And that is by design. We didn't want the state regulating silver and gold. And when we were pushing this bill, there were a lot of Democrats that said, "I am a no vote on this, Pat." And let me tell you why. Because I have absolutely no idea how this even works. And I would say to them, I said, "Well, that's because the free market's already got this. Everything that we need to transact in silver and gold, the free market already has. We don't need the state involved." So, I'm a free market guy.
I just—so that's the way I designed the bills. And in fact, I've noticed too where, in other states where I've helped construct their bills, I had to kind of pull away from it because they would add state regulations and I was like, "No, I don't want to be a part of that anymore. I don't want to say that I had anything to do with writing that." Because they wanted regulations, the state to regulate silver and gold. If the people's money and private money come together in the form of state bank that's controlled by the treasury that holds silver and gold, believe you me, they're going to start regulating it.
And you don't want that. You want the free market to come in. You want several factions of the free market to come in to serve the people's needs because then you have choice and competition.
There's one more thing that a lot of people have been asking about, is if you own gold and silver and if you've been prudent and gathered it up over time, how do you envision that it will be actually used by the people of Missouri in—now that they've been empowered to be able to do so? How do you foresee some of the most common use cases developing?
Actually, that's a very very good question in itself. But the co—most common use cases I would see are mom and pop small businesses, period. I don't see large corporations. I don't see Walmart jumping in saying, "Yeah, we want to transact in silver gold." They'll sell gold to you, but they don't want to transact in it. So basically, that is—that ties right back to what I was talking about with the goldback guild. There's a lot of guild members right here in the state of Missouri.
These are private businesses, small mom and pop businesses that are in fact in accepting gold backs and many of them accept coins as well, gold and silver coins. So, basically, like I said, this is the very beginning of the infrastructure. Something is happening and it's with the gold back guild. Like I said, it doesn't necessarily end there, but that is a really good starting place because it's organized and it's nationwide.
Any forms of things calling themselves gold or silver or companies organizing to provide services around gold and silver that you felt were like coming out of the woodworks and it gave you a feeling that people need to be cautious and wary cuz this could open up basically a whole new kind of a free field and there could be both reputable and non-reputable players on a new field? Any thoughts from you on that of people trying to be smart about taking steps forward in this and not just stumble into a pit?
Yeah, I do. I mentioned to you I have one of those detectors myself that can actually detect a purity. As gold and silver are going up in value, basically fraudulent versions of gold and silver will be coming out. It is guaranteed is going to happen. And so basically, this is the thing: if you're worried about fraud, basically there are things you can do to protect yourselves by simply checking the purity and the weight of the gold and silver. And yes, the equipment is expensive. It's $1,000 for one of those metal dete—or I call a metal detector. I'm not sure what it's called. Sigma. Made by Sigma. Yeah. Mhm.
Yeah. There you go. So, but the gold backs themselves, basically they have anti-counterfeit printed right into them. And I think a lot of it is actually on the back side, but any rate, so these are impossible to counterfeit. I do believe they've offered $20,000 to anyone who could counterfeit a gold back and no one even came close. So with the gold backs, there's features being built in. I would hate to think that we would have to put some kind of chip in our gold and silver coins, basically to verify them or anything else like that, because people have suggested that in the past.
But yes, I do think that there is a possibility of fraud coming out for fake silver and gold. People need to be careful, and there—just learn about what you do to verify the purity of the gold, and the weight too. Not just the purity, but the weight.
And I imagine not only fake silver and gold, but what about services that might end up—your long treasured gold and silver you put into whatever, and then you never see it again? As far as there's other ways of making fraud against people than fake metals.
Sure. If you don't hold it, you don't own it. Right. So, I would once again—I—transacting in silver and gold is just like transacting in cash. If you've got $400,000 worth of cash in your house, good for you, first of all, but, secondly, that's probably not the smartest way to hold on to cash. If you got that much silver and gold, you probably want to look into vaulting services. As opposed—if especially if that's your life savings and if that's your retirement. So, I would advocate for that. But, basically most people I don't think need to do that.
I mean, you can hide gold and silver in your house, or no one would ever find it. And so, it's relatively easy to do. But with a bill like Missouri's, basically with vaulting, I think, because of the anti-confiscation that we have here, I think vaulting is going to be a thing here in Missouri. I think companies are going to want to come here and start vaulting. And I don't think it's any more expensive to vault in Missouri than it is in any other state. So but you have those added safeguards and protection. Now—
Is there any protection of personal privacy or any aspects of that in the Missouri constitutional money amendment? Some people are concerned—well, there was a number of levels of concern. Some people are concerned that—that you mentioned that if you own gold and silver, you can keep it private. You don't have to tell anybody about it. And that's—some people are concerned that that right to privacy about what you already own may be going out the window if you're expected to start giving lists just like there have been lists where you have to tell the government you have this or that or the other.
Oh, no. There's no requirement in the state of Missouri to inform the government you have anything. In fact, I have a lot of silver to be honest with you. I've been a silver buff since I was 14 years old. And I've—that was one or two years ago. And so you—but I never participated in any IRA program that I could actually use it as a tax write off because I didn't want the government to know about my silver. So I forewent the tax write off in order to keep my right to privacy. So that's what I did. But to each their own.
But there is absolutely no reason you have to inform the government in our bill or in any law in Missouri that you have any silver and gold at all. And now that you know we got rid of capital gains, doubly so.
It's capital gains at the state level. Any other taxes you've—sales tax, any other types of taxes at the state level on gold and silver?
None. It's totally taxree. The only taxes on silver and gold now are literally on the federal level, as far as Missouri's concerned.
Do you want to have a free crack at the—what you think about the concept of capital gains tax on gold and silver at all, for even at the federal level, how you feel about that?
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It's stupid. It's dumb. In fact, I mean, I don't want to talk about this because it was a rumor I heard about 2 years ago, but I did hear that if 15—this is a rumor I heard from the federal government. Okay, so we have to consider the source here, right? But I did hear a rumor from someone high up, someone that may be one step away from the president, that if there were 15 states that made silver and gold legal tender in their states, that Trump would ask Congress to get rid of capital gains on silver and gold.
Now, that was—that's just a rumor. I can't confirm it with anyone else. I heard it from one person, but I did hear that. But—but I do think that getting rid of capital gains on silver and gold is highly, highly important right now. And just get it done in your state. We'll worry about the federal government later. Just get rid of it because it is—it's evil and it's wrong.
If people want to support the Missouri Freedom Initiative as well as direct their lawmakers to the resources available there, where should they start?
Well, first of all, we're a very very special type of organization there. The only organization that we have technically is an email list and that's by design. We do not take donations. We do not have a membership sign up. We have nothing like that whatsoever. It's an email list that's—it's over 4,000 people in the state of Missouri that are on that email list and all of like mind and work together. And so basically that's the way we've kept it. We don't take any type of money or donations of any kind. In fact, we have a saying in the group: "Your own time, your own dime."
Is that a silver dime?
Yeah, silver dime. Yep. There you go. So it's got to be a silver dime because really the other kind isn't worth it. But so it's been—they can't bring us down. They can't bring us down. I have seen other grassroots organizations start out with the same model, and then they go, "Well, I need to make money doing this." So they start taking money and then their support evaporates very quickly because they're making money but all the supporters for that organization don't. And so they're asking them all to go up to the capital and yeah, you're getting paid to go to the capital, but I have to pay for it myself.
It's that kind of—it's squirly and it's dumb and all that fun stuff, but this is just human nature. So basically, yes, there's absolutely no money in anything that we do and they know it up at the capital. They—in fact, they regularly investigate me personally to see if I'm taking money in any way, shape or form with the Missouri Freedom Initiative donations so they can actually register me as a lobbyist. And so because the rules change on what you can do up at the capital, if you're just a regular citizen up there and not a lobbyist, you have so much freedom in the capital.
You have so much—you could do just about anything you want. When you're a lobbyist, all the rules change. And I do not want the rules to change. I want the freedom.
It's interesting. G. Edward Griffin, whom you are no doubt familiar with, who founded the Red Pill Expo and wrote The Creature from Jackal Island, a—Another Look at the Federal Reserve, talked to us about his organization, which he said is—is not leaderless, it's leaderful, meaning it's any individual and many individuals within that organization could stand up as points of coordination if the need arose. Rather than being able to do a decapitation. So I can say, we—well, we took out the honcho, and so now that organization falls apart because it's a like-minded people collaborating together.
Yep. And it's virtually the same thing. I am not a leader by any stretch of the imagination. I consider myself more of an organizer of leaders. And like I said, I would love to at some point in time shout out a thousand names of people that work their butts off to make this a reality in Missouri. And there's a ton of them. Citizens for Sound Money was helpful. Let's shout out to Isaac Gaither and his wife and his sister. Just a bunch of people that folks probably wouldn't know, but these people worked their butts off.
They believed and they helped craft and actually execute the most permissive gold and silver laws that you will see in the entire world, which we enjoy right now in the state of Missouri. No one else is even coming close. So it is. So there's a lot of leaders in our organization, is what I'm saying, and thank God for them.
Well, we're certainly grateful for you rattling the cage and saying, "Hey, we've got something we need to talk about. Let's get on and talk about it." Very grateful for your presence here with us again on Liberty and Finance. We're going to put a link to the actual law, the Missouri Revisor of Statutes official law about the Constitutional Money Act number 40801, and it will be in the description of this video, folks, if you want to check it out, if you want to get your state legislators fired up about it. You can point them to that and also to the mofree.org, the Missouri Freedom Initiative.
Any other pointers, Patrick, on people who want to get access to you and your information?
Yeah, just go to mofree.org. You can reach us through there. This is actually during the dry period because right now our legislature is not in session. We do have a veto session coming up in just over a week. And so I may go up there and do something at that time with flock cameras at data centers or something. You know how crazy I can be.
We do need you to come back and talk to us about that because that's about to get times 10 or times 100 beyond flat cameras—is this new thing about on every light pole in the country, which could be over 50 million of them, coming to a city and neighborhood near you soon. So we want to talk to you more about that soon, and—but thank you for giving us this vital update on the Constitutional Money Act being passed into law in Missouri and the fruits that are going to come from that. Patrick Holland from the Missouri Freedom Initiative. Thank you for joining us again on Liberty and Finance.
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